And then we'd do it through the lawyers. It's. IMDbPro Starmeter. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. Cpl. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. I had lovely family. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. He said, `The psychotic bitch. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. And I said, `Who?' (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. Help contribute to IMDb. Cpl. will not hurt Zachary, period. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. We. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. KATE: I had a great childhood. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? Instead, the films dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagbys parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their sons body. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. -, "Demonstrates independent film at its finest." But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. She was deranged. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Because this is foreshadowing. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. You will cry. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. And that was midafternoon. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. So I gave her the. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Andrew came to St. John's. Cpl. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. They're like, `What do you mean?' MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. It's great. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. He was such a good baby. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. The International Film Music Critics also nominated his musical score for Best Documentary Score of 2008. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. He was the whole world to them. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). And he'd be like(turns. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. The Bagbys still hold a bitterness when they talk about how they were failed by a legal system that let Turner out on bail and allowed her to retain custody of Zachary. STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. It would take two weeks. MORRISON: What do you do about this? I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. The documentary was originally released in 2008. I'm absolutely sure. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Oh, my God. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . -. 2015 - 2020. February 24, 2009: An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Lori Kaufman rw. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. David was a . Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' HOUSE OF COMMONS UNANIMOUSLY PASSES BILL C-464. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. September 28, 2008: They are prophecies. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' MORRISON: But then things changed. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. decision. Creating stronger communities. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. to reconsider getting some help with that. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Blood red screen. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. 2023 Cond Nast. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. We. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. The film is by the phenomenal writer, director and composer Kurt Kuenne. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. August 5, 2008: The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Blu-ray: The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. I didn't have. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." She was coming here to take care of me. Did. I got to go to the trial. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. This is the attention thing I was talking about. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. His father says, I kissed him and held him. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Because she didnt know love either. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. She would never go away. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. We're churning. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Very, very serious. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. . It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Its heartbreaking, said Kate, who recalls last seeing Zachary the evening before he was killed. Had the case played out in the U.S. court system, they believe Zachary would still be with them. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. 1 Photo. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. I dont understand how that can be ignored.. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. -, "A 10 out of 10. Curated newsletters for curious minds. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna.
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